Sunday, July 24, 2016

quick vegan pop quiz

 Look at the image below, and then answer the question that follows.

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Is this meme:

a) racist
b) sexist
c) not appropriate for the vegan movement
d) all of the above
e) none of the above

Think carefully now.

You answered correctly (as I knew you would!), if you said: e) none of the above.

The scary part though is that this meme received a lot of negative feedback with different vegans chiming in that it was, in fact, sexist, or racist (because there's no such thing as white privilege), or not appropriate (why can't we just focus on the animals?) for the vegan movement. Wow, is all I can say. Okay, I CAN say more, snort.

Patriarchy is very much alive, despite the claim by some that equality between the sexes has already been achieved (right, what planet are they living on?), and despite the insistence by the men's rights movement that men are the real victims now, and even a minority, thanks to uppity man-hating feminists. (Did you see the eye roll?)

Others took great offence to the second line, because white privilege, apparently, is complete bullshit. And a figment of the imagination. Astonishingly, even some people of colour deny the existence of white privilege, adding that they enjoy more privilege than that of some of their white friends. But I think what can contribute to this confusion is a) not being clear enough on what white privilege actually means, and b) getting it mixed up with class privilege. For example, you can be white but not feel privileged because you grew up poor. An article that explains this really well is one titled Explaining White Privilege to a Broke White Person. A link in that article doesn't work (at least, it didn't for me), so here's a look back at a previous post of mine that does link to Peggy McIntosh's piece, as well as a few others. Oh, and at a follow-up post as well. 

The not-appropriate-for-the-vegan-movement line ties in to the All Lives Matter debacle. Now, to give vegans proponents of this slogan the benefit of the doubt, of course all lives matter in a general sense, and the whole thrust of veganism is respecting all sentient beings. But the problem with countering the Black Lives Matter slogan with the All Lives one is that, among other things, you're negating the real issue of racism. It is, if you're aware of the importance of intersectionality, offensive. And here it can get a bit dicey. Because while all types of oppression are similar (the root being power imbalance), you can't casually compare sexism, racism, speciesism and/or other isms as if they're all the same. There ARE nuances, different experiences, and one of the easiest ways to conceptualize this is with the following image that I first saw on veganelder's blog, who by the way, is doing a lot of thinking and writing about these not-always-easy-to-fully-comprehend issues.

Defining oppression

No, we're at a point where vegans need to better understand how these different but similar oppressions interact and reflect a fundamental power imbalance, and listen more closely to those with direct experience of those oppressions. Otherwise, tackling single isms isn't going to get any being very far.

Comments

Krissa said...

This is a great post and the more thought I put into it, the more tricky it actually is. I think because of fence-sitters, things get sticky sometimes simply because our species IS so focused on (sometimes subconsciously) and entrenched in ideas/behaviors/characteristics that a fence-sitter about being Esther Approved (vegan) could actually be subtly or not so subtly influenced by things like tying it all together. It seems like tying it all together 'should' only be for 'advanced' minds. I mean, even the term vegan, which we've written about before...that already just as a simple word can turn someone off, fence-sitter or not. The sad fact is that because of the nature of our species, even well-intentioned ideas - facts - can hurt the movement to include our fellow beings as "one of us".

I still think that organized religion is to blame for most of these things, but that's a whole other mess and another one that is too inflammatory to be super helpful to us Friends of Esther. :) (I almost can't even write the word vegan anymore after loving and becoming used to Esther Approved). I guess I can't really speak for the other Friends of Esther who had strong reactions against the meme, but I do think that fence-sitters (I doubt anyone not on the fence would bother to even take notice) can get in a mental jam over putting all of that together. Sigh. We're quite a piece of work, humanity, aren't we? But thank goodness that there are enough of us to at least give a voice to and a chance for better things to come for all!

Glad to see you got a chance to post again! I hope your weather has cooled down. It's still been a tough summer here. :( I so hate summer. Snort!

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Sadly, quite a piece of work indeed. But, it's all we've got to work with, eh? ;)

Yeah, I like the term Esther-approved as well, but sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't adopt a term like anti-oppressionist or something. And that word would also make it more clear that being vegan isn't just about other animals, but also involves tackling racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, and isms we may not be as well aware of. That might also make the root of all these interrelated isms more evident -- the power imbalance that makes it possible for one group (whatever group) to take advantage of another.

Because just as I feel that one can be vegan without being Christian, but that it's more hypocritical to call yourself Christian if you aren't vegan, I think it's suspect to call yourself vegan if you're acting in ways that are racist or sexist or otherwise supporting the status quo that allows oppression of all kinds to flourish.

Speaking of flourish, this particular summer is making me wilt like you wouldn't believe, snort. And my only consolation is that if I can make it through this one, other summers should be a breeze, ha ha.

Krissa said...

Speaking of summer, last year when Spike started doing so bad in the heat and I looked it up, I guess it was an El Nino year and that meant this summer would be worse. Not sure if I'm remembering that correctly.

The best guess I can come up with about why "combining" all these forms of oppression is even difficult within the Esther Approved community is that many of us see it as "us versus them" as a whole. It would take a lot of thought to make the connection between it all, but human beings have been given the ultimate privilege by virtue of nothing other than out species and our species as a whole so absolutely does not deserve or respect or even recognize this privilege...maybe it's just sort of a "blah" feeling about what our fellow groups within our species go through. Wow - that made sense in my head until I tried to write it out. But there also are those of us who actually feel more like we belong in a group of another species. For example, I feel like I have way more in common with dogs, cats, birds than I do with my species as a whole, not friends like you and family...but with very few exceptions, I know I'm more like the dog tied outside the store that I see and communicate with than with the shoppers, cashiers, etc. But...that dog, will never ever have the same privilege that I do based on my species and so by that alone, regardless of how I feel...I still have it better in life than the ones I feel closest to. Maybe that's a good analogy to help folks understand the other paradoxes. I guess that to combine it all and put it in that context is too much for many of our fellow humans.

And once again I go on a ramble! You'd be surprised how much sense things make in my head and then when I'm writing I realize, I don't think I'm communicating this well at all!!! This was a very thought-provoking post. I'm wondering if there will be a good way to maybe one day get the point across. It will take another Esther to do it though, I bet! :) Or one of her "approved" ones. ;)

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Yes, I believe it was El Nino which will likely be followed by La Nina. But whether caused by El Nino, La Nina, or Le Human (ha ha), I can't wait for it to stop. Can't remember the last summer where we've had so many 30C+ days -- already about 30 I believe. Unreal.

As for making sense, I tend to be the exact opposite. Thoughts are usually ajumble in my head, and only when writing them out do they become more clear. At least, to me. ;)

veganelder said...

Thank you for writing this. (and thanks for linking to my blog)

One of the most profound things I've learned in the past couple of years is how often trying to do a "good" thing in one instance ends up contributing to a bad thing somewhere else. Let's say I live vegan...I eat plants...but...I buy some of those plants from a store and that store acquires the plants they sell from a corporation that runs "farms" that exploits their workers.

Whee...I'm doing "good" by not harming animals...but I'm adding to the profits of those who engage in harmful practices toward humans. Hmmm...I didn't mean to do that.

(the Food Empowerment folks recognize this and work to promote veganism as well as trying to interrupt bad behaviors in those who furnish food for vegans. http://www.foodispower.org/)

And...maybe that farm also does things that harm rivers and streams which in turn poisons wild animals. See what I mean? It's all connected and just picking out one aspect of it in which to "do good" also means I may, inadvertently, contribute to doing harm somewhere else. It makes my head hurt.

But...ya gotta start somewhere...right? Of course...but...if I think I can stop with just that one thing and be a "good person"...whoops...it doesn't seem to work that way. I wish to hell it did...then I could live vegan and sit on the couch and feel good about myself.

It seems to me we are seduced into playing this game where we can maybe pick which victims of harm we want to help...but...in those efforts to help we perpetuate or engage in unintended harm to other victims. That's ridiculous.

I'm wanting to figure out the game and do what I can to interrupt it instead of playing pick the victim(s). I'll live vegan...but I don't want to live as a vegan who does harm while trying to help. It's up to me to do the hard work of trying to grasp the bigger picture.

That's a pain in the ass...and...I didn't create this stuff but I have an obligation to try to stop it. I suspect maybe we all have that obligation.

One ray of hope I console myself with is that we humans created these systems of harm...and that means if we made them...we can unmake them. Maybe not soon...or easily...but it can be done.

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

You're welcome! I actually left a comment on your blog a few weeks ago, but either it got lost, or didn't pass the moderation test? Anyway, will try again soon... :)

Indeed, we have to start somewhere. And a part of me is glad that I didn't realize at the outset that this business of trying to do less harm was a bit more complicated than not just consuming other animals. It would have been too overwhelming, I think.

A pain in the ass indeed, and a regret about this post is that in rereading it, it kinda sounds like I have most of the answers and know what I'm doing, which is really not the case. I'm learning (and making mistakes) as I go along. Got a copy of the MOGO book I referenced in the previous post, so hopefully that will help as well.

In the meantime, we have to keep on trying! And keep improving.

veganelder said in reply to have gone vegan...

My bad...your response here prompted me to go look in the "spam" section of comments (I'm really bad about not doing that) and voila...your comment had ended up there (hell if I know why). My apologies...your excellent comment is now published. Thanks for the reminder.

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

Oh good, glad you found it, and that it wasn't a case of, "was it something I said?", snort. Will have a peek this weekend, as I've actually forgotten what I did say, ha ha.

Hi Friend,
One of the first books I read after becoming vegan is DR Will Tuttle's, The World Peace Diet. It is here that I learned about connectedness of our actions and their impact on the world at large. He says that until we stop taking in the violence that is inherent in ingesting the flesh and secretions of other animal species, humans will know no peace on this planet. We will continue to create other species abuse and extinction. war, poverty, injustice in all its forms, starvation, and planet and human health degradation.
Enlightenment is possible but not guaranteed, only when we stop paying for the death inherent in consuming other living, sentient beings.
Patriarchy is a construct of our herding culture which developed some 10 thousand years ago in Iraq. In order to continue subjugating and manipulating female non human animals for profit, profiteers needed to subjugate the feminine Sophia, thus giving rise to the modern day patriarchy.
Yes everything is connected. When we advocate for the emancipation of all species trapped in our various death for profit industries, we must recognize and advocate for the end to all forms of oppression.
Take care,
Anne

Hi Anne, FINALLY read Will's book myself earlier this summer. So many books to read, although that's not a bad problem to have. ;)

Yeah, I don't think violence will be going away anytime soon, but if we can chop away at the roots of oppression then hopefully we'll make some progress. At least clear the path for future generations...

Tuesday, December 15, 2015

so I'm thinking of calling myself a 'New Abolitionist', snort

 Cuz you know, it's classy, clever and cool to attach the word "new" to a term to make it a pejorative. Um, no, it's actually old and tired, but hey, small things amuse me. All kidding aside though, I DO struggle with what to call myself. I'm abolitionist, but have no problem supporting reform measures that reduce suffering. And for that I may have earned the openly mocked "new welfarist" label by some, but tough. 

So why am I bringing this up now? The beginnings of this post has been sitting untouched in my drafts folder since February of 2012, and I suppose I just wanted to finally get it off my chest. And because this time of year tends to make me a little Grinchy before the spirit of the season eventually manages to infiltrate my system, I thought I'd deal with it so I can hopefully move on to a more positive state of mind. And clean up the coal before the new year begins. ;)  

I've been vegan for a fairly long time now (8 years next summer is pretty long, no?), but did you know that I almost gave up on being vegan practically right after adopting the label? As soon as I decided to go vegan I looked up the concept online so I could join the group of loving, joyous, peaceful and supportive folk that vegans obviously were. [Okay, I'll give you a minute here to guffaw at my naïveté.] You can imagine my shock then when I discovered that the animal rights movement was more divisive than any other movement I'd thus far encountered, and in comparison made being a feminist look like a walk in the park.

One of my first online searches landed me in a forum (it may have been Examiner) where I soon noticed this one person being even more obnoxious than the rest. What also annoyed me was that unlike everyone else who just went by their first name, this individual kept including their educational and work credentials every time they said something. Who is this jerk, I thought, and why are they so damn status-conscious? Sorry, but that kind of crap doesn't impress me, and I hoped they would just go away already. Oops, as I learned soon enough, this was the leader (leader!) of an influential branch of the movement, and I was almost ready to throw in the towel. Because if this jackass (or, to be more fair, person with jackassy ways) was supposed to be someone to admire and learn from, well, the movement could count me out. 

I was genuinely bummed for a while, but then figured that there had to be other vegans whose philosophy and approach more closely resembled my own, and of course, there were. Veganism is about compassion and other animals more than the petty (and sometimes not-so-petty) differences between vegans, and it wasn't long before I found my own kind of people so to speak.

That first person who rudely awakened me to the reality of the vegan movement never did go away, and I encountered them again years later in a completely fruitless one-on-one online discussion that cemented my dislike of this person even more. It also made me question their professional skills because surely a lawyer would know that parroting the same stock phrases over and over does not an argument make? Zero listening skills, debatable debating skills, complete arrogance, and the most linear black-and-white thinking I've ever seen. Not exactly a recipe for inspiring change methinks.

That opinion hasn't changed. And while I'm sure that this individual started out with the best of intentions and still truly believes that their approach and strategy is the best one where other animals are concerned, we have to call a spade a spade. Or in this case, a bully. Not a label I use too often, but from my own personal and work experience, I tend to recognize bullying behaviours almost instantly.

Okay, at this point you're probably thinking that I'm not being nice right now either, and you're likely right, but I also believe that vegans have a responsibility not only for our message, but for our messengers as well. And allowing even one of those messengers to be controlling, to delete comments that even slightly deviate from their own opinion, to ban group or forum members outright for not strictly toeing their philosophical line, and to deny any legitimacy to other approaches is well, unacceptable. What's worse is that this kind of behaviour would be rightly recognized as abusive were it to happen in a personal relationship, so why do we condone it when it happens in a political movement?

It's not right, and we shouldn't.

These days I tend to describe myself as abolitionist in theory and ideals, and pragmatic in approach. In short, a pragmatic abolitionist. Call me new welfarist if you will, but I define myself as an abolitionist because I want to see the abolition of animal use. I just don't see it happening as quickly as certain absolutist abolitionists do, and definitely not by just chanting the world is vegan if you want it over and over. It will, in my opinion (and those of others), require many strategies (both abolitionist AND reform), many approaches, and the inclusion of people who aren't even vegan.

Until that time, we need to be nicer to each other, and to those we are trying to reach. We need to lead by example (myself included), both online and out in the real world that we're trying to change. Because if compassion for others isn't shown, why the hell should non-vegans think compassionately about other species?

In sum, I can't really call myself a new or old anything if I don't at least try to live up to the ideals of what veganism really means. So I pledge, right now, to become a better person in the new year, and to try and become the kind of vegan I admire. Anyone with me? :)

Comments

Debra Roppolo said...

Always makes me smile how often you and I are on the same page. I have a blog post-in-progress (that I'm hoping to sell for a wider audience, actually) and the subject is precisely the divisive tactics and philosophy you're speaking of...possibly from the very same individual. I love your phrase "pragmatic abolitionist." May I use it with attribution?

have gone vegan said in reply to Debra Roppolo...

Oh, I'm excited about your upcoming post! And getting it out to a wider audience would be fantastic.

Absolutely, use the phrase. I believe some folk make the distinction between 'abolitionists and pragmatists' (pragmatists being the favoured term over welfarists), but I think that pragmatic abolitionist is more accurate. And pithy. ;)

Looking forward to your post.

Hi Friend,
I am always with you. I have no tolerance of bullies, people who know it all, people who pontificate, who think to highly of themselves and love too much the sound of their own voices and words. There are plenty of these people in all segments of society, in associations, in movements and so on.I abhor invective and diatribe and exit from any conversations and idea swapping in which it is the menu du jour. There is a better, kinder way to get our message across.

I try not to use any of the labels swirling around the vegan movement. I will say that the only solution is dissolution and that I will never sacrifice one for the whole.

Great post. Thank you and take care.
Anne

Hi Anne, yep, better and kinder is what we should strive for. And yeah, sometimes I feel labels just get in the way. Unfortunately (or fortunately?), they're also easy and convenient shortcuts in trying to describe our philosophies and strategies.

Maybe, instead of saying 'vegan' or 'abolitionist' or whatever, we should focus on what we're actually trying to do, and perhaps saying something like "I try not to use other animals" (I'd avoid saying "I try not to hurt other animals" as most people genuinely believe they're doing exactly that) would be more effective. Or at least, not bring along the baggage that existing labels already do -- weird, I just had a case of deja vu where I thought I'd typed these words before, snort.

Krissa said...

Thanks for sharing this. It really is so important that the vegans with the most high profile platforms and loudest voices not turn ANYONE (vegan or non) off in such a serious way. They of course have every right to voice their opinions and ideas, but they also have a responsibility toward the other living beings that, supposedly, they are vegan because of. There are so many times that I purposely ignore something because I don't want it to get more attention, for example, the most recent I can think of: there was some blogger (don't remember her name) who got a huge amount of attention in the US online news because she came out with a "how my vegan diet almost killed me" crap. It was crazy because she was eating less calories than some anorexics, and I don't know any vegans who do that, but nevertheless she got a lot of attention for it so I wanted not to get her more with even a comment, etc. ... I'm sure there are some vegans who truly do feel as though their heart is in the right place and they so desperately want all animals to stop suffering that they don't even tolerate measures to alleviate suffering...which is not vegan at all. They are then taking away each individuals rights and individuality. Humanity causes unimaginable suffering for every other living species on the planet and I desperately want that to stop, but if I can help even one while others don't get help, you better believe I'll help the one I can. And if there's anything that can make the suffering of anyone less than what it is even if things don't become perfect, that is the right thing to do. It's not going to happen overnight that humanity straightens up our act, if we ever do, but every single being suffering due to our actions is an individual and deserves help of any kind in any way we can give it. And I don't think I'm wrong about that, but I know plenty of others who don't agree.

Great post! Glad you had time to finally write this one. :)

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Hi Krissa, no, I don't think you're wrong about that either. It is our duty, I believe, to help a suffering individual AND to try and change the system at the same time. So saying that we won't help the individual until we overthrow that system is short-sighted.

veganelder said...

Shucks HGV...I already admire you because you seem like a pretty good vegan person to me. Happy New Year! :-)

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

Aw, thanks, veganelder. And happy 2016 to you! :)

Tuesday, September 15, 2015

the power of one, vegan style

 While the thought of trying to make the world go vegan can be as daunting as trying to imagine world peace (although as veganelder pointed out in my last post, the term "human society" is usually more accurate than world), it can be more manageable when broken down into bits. And while there's no magic formula or easy 7-step process (this world would have become vegan already if there were), we too quickly forget about the power of one. Because the power of one multiplied exponentially can bring about change in ways we can't even possibly foresee. Who would have thought, for example, that a lone image of a deceased boy on a beach could be such a rallying point in the current refugee crisis?

What does the power of one look like? It can be:

  • one pamphlet or book that finally opens someone's eyes
  • one video or documentary that really hits home
  • one blog post that inspires
  • one image that galvanizes collective outrage
  • one muffin or meal that makes someone realize animal parts aren't needed
  • one day powerful enough to scare the ag industry silly e.g. Meatless Monday 
  • one consumer product popular enough to cause lawsuits e.g. Just Mayo
  • one mentor or role model
  • one animal's world that has completely changed by being rescued
  • one animal celebrity -- need I mention Esther? ;)
  • one sanctuary
  • one step in the right direction
  • One Step for Animals
  • one reason to either go or stay vegan
  • one task
  • one role
  • one idea
  • one thing
  • one change
  • one person

Edward everett hale

What can YOU do? That's up to you. There's lots of choice and enough to do, so pick what suits you. Pick what you love or what you're good at (often the same thing), because sticking to something and being able to do it over the long haul helps everyone. Keep in mind also that one thing isn't the same as a scattered or frantic do something, do anything approach, but a strategic focus that when multiplied can have real results. Reread pattrice jones' inspiring blog post Effective Activism, peruse 100 Ways to Change the World for Animals Part 1 and Part 2 from OHH, and:

Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive. And go do that. Because the world needs people who've come alive. -- Howard Thurman, American theologian and civil rights leader

One person

Finally, remember that if nothing else, act as if what you do can make a difference, because it CAN and it DOES.

Comments

Krissa said...

The Edward Hale quote is my favorite quote of all quotes! And I learned it on your site years ago. :)

Any time one of us human people gives another being the chance to have their voice heard, their face seen, their emotions become real and tangible...it makes a difference. And as you know, someone like Esther really can make a difference. Because of her, her guardian-dads became vegan....and now look at how many lives she's touched. So yep, one can make a difference and thanks to you and others who blog, are activists in any way...the voices of our non-human friends get heard. One at a time...

Nice post! :) Hope things are going ok lately.

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Thanks Krissa, hey did you notice the differences between the quote in the pic and the quote on top? I thought it was interesting, so featured the one I hadn't seen before. :)

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + who knows how many 1s
= who knows what magical results!

Krissa said...

I actually like the one you've had on your site the whole time and it's also the one I've seen referenced in other places. But the one in this post is just as "good" (not sure that's the right word) and although means the same thing, seems more toned down (again, not sure that's the right phrase). But yep, this is my very favorite quote. It's actually more a philosophy than a quote, eh? And a darn good one! :)

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Yeah, I prefer that one too, it just flows off the tongue a little easier. And yes, a good philosophy it is!

sharon said...

thank you have gone vegan... a great post, especially for those of us suffering 'fatigue', not coping and feeling as though all is hopeless...

have gone vegan said in reply to sharon...

Thanks for the feedback Sharon. I'm glad the post was helpful. :)

veganelder said...

Your post brought to mind a book by Anne Lamont titled "Bird by Bird". The title came from her father's advice to her brother about writing a report on birds wherein he told him to do it "bird by bird". (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12543.Bird_by_Bird)

The power of one...great post. Thank you.

p.s.: The last two items on the list have intrigued me for years...it's always seemed to me that if each person who is vegan managed to help transition just one other person (and that person did the same) then vegans would be all over the place fairly quickly. I wonder.

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

Thanks veganelder. Love Bird by Bird! Still one of the best books on writing, along with Brenda Ueland's If You Want to Write -- time to reread both methinks. Have never had any interest in writing a novel, but would love to birth a non-fiction book someday...

Yes, one change and one person. Not sure how the math would work (in terms of vegans multiplying), but I like to think that one day there will be a tipping point, some event of some kind that will really speed things along. Let's hope! :)

Hi Friend,
Ah yes, the power of one. I am vegan because of my daughter who is vegan, my grandchildren are being raised vegan,my husband is now vegan and I like to think that my website helps to clarify for those who are vegan, what it means to be so and for those who aren't what a gift to all beings veganism is. Every time anyone of us goes out there in human society and requests a plant based meal, we are participating planting seeds and participating in harm reduction. Every time one of us tells sales people that we do not use any product that came from the a once living being,we are spreading the word. Every time we participate in a vigil, a demonstration a march, we are challenging non vegans to review their ethics.
I have to believe what we do make a difference. I don't know how to do otherwise. The truth is, the more I write and the more I advocate, the more I understand what else I can do effectively to advocate for all species who need our help.
Thank you for an illuminating and encouraging article.
Take care,
Anne

Thank you Anne. Great additional examples as well. I figured the list was likely incomplete, but knew that readers would help fill the gaps. :)