Sunday, May 28, 2017

hiatus interruptus: when words fail

 Came across a passage in a book recently (I read daily no matter what else is going on in my life) lamenting how we don't have a real word for men who kill women, whereas the term "man-hater" is used so often you would think actual harm is caused by those accused of being one. And even though not new, this observation still strikes me every time I see it. They also rightly asserted that while we do have "misogynist", this too clinical and too academic-sounding word doesn't do the concept justice. 

It's ironic that man-hater is usually directed at those who don't actually hate men, but who do object to hateful actions that hurt everyone. Man-hater is especially lobbed against those who question the status quo, and who fight to eradicate gender inequality. Actually, no, you just have to look like you're not living up to outdated gender expectations and you can expect to have this word spat out at you. Feminist is another term that when not used by like-minded peers, is more apt to be hissed, snarled, or accompanied by spittle than merely said. Just like the term "man-hater", these words are often hurled in anger or contempt. Fear too, because how dare people, women especially, assert their right not to be subservient. An interesting word, subservient, as you can practically see the words serve, servile and servant floating within it.

Man-hater. But if you think about it, how many acts of physical violence resulting in bodily harm or death are caused by these so-called man-haters? How many injuries, rapes, other sexual assaults, or murders? Leaving verbal and other forms of violence aside for now, how much physical damage do victims of man-hating actually endure? 

Then think about the instances of physical assault, sexual assault, rape and death experienced by women. Without even looking up statistics, I know the numbers are staggering and frightening, but woman-hater isn't a term that's regularly used to describe the perpetrators of these acts. One could argue however, that evidence indicates we live in a rape culture, which is part of a larger woman-hating culture. So why is the more accurate term woman-hater rarely used?

Another word that I almost never see used relates to dehumanization. Loosely defined, to dehumanize refers to an act or process of depriving a person or group of human qualities. A terrible thing, obviously. A synonym for this is animalize, meaning to cause to be or act like an animal. Leaving aside the inherent anthropocentric bias (we've all heard phrases like, they're no better than animals!), why (and this is more of a rhetorical question) do we not use the term deanimalize to describe a similar process against animals? 

A paltry 2,540 results when Googled, it seems to me that this lack of acknowledgement of the horrendous injustice done to individual beings and groups on a daily and worldwide basis deserves greater use of the term. We routinely strip animals of their animalhood (personhood some would even say), that is, the essential qualities that make them a sentient being and not an object, and don't give it a second thought. It begins with the use of the word "it" to describe most animals instead of he or she, words like pork instead of pig, beef instead of cow, television commercials about eggs that don't even show or mention chickens, and of course the routine farming practices we all abhor. Language is twisted and doesn't include the appropriate naming of what would be considered theft, kidnapping, rape and murder if the victims were human.

Animals, male and female, old and young, sick and healthy, are instead treated as inanimate objects, products of consumption and cogs of a vast and vile agricultural machine. In short, living beings with their own interests are rendered invisible, and the very act of invisibling is made invisible for most people as well. So another word almost completely missing from our vocabulary is animal-hater, and really, what word better describes a person who kidnaps and kills without fear of punishment because of a victim's species? Animal-hating (even though it isn't defined as such) is very much a part of our culture and that of others, so it seems absurd to have many who condone animal cruelty refer to themselves as animal-lover simply because they favour a couple of specific species. Love isn't even necessary; animal-respecter would be nice enough.

Man-hater, animal-lover. Woman-hater, animal-hater. So much hate, but not enough words to identify accurately where the real hatred is coming from, and whom it's actually aimed at. A lot of fakery in other words, and sadly, in today's political climate, even the word "fake" is now failing. The difference between fake and genuine was once more easily discerned, but nowadays fake seems to be applied by some to anything they don't want to hear. In some ways even topsy-turvy is now better thought of as turvy-topsy, as if things weren't bad enough before.

Words fail when they mean the exact opposite, when they conceal what's really going on, and when we don't even have proper names to describe what's happening. Words in this post fail too, of course, because of what I've left out. While I've talked (the words briefly outlined would perhaps be more accurate) about some of the words that fail women and animals, I haven't even touched upon words that fail humans who, for example, aren't white. And I haven't mentioned the most important word, the word that's at the heart of misnaming or not naming at all, and the word at the root of harm to different groups of beings whether based on categories like class, race, gender, ability, orientation or even species.

I love words, but even I often fail to do them, and you the reader, any real justice.

Comments

Krissa said...

"So another word almost completely missing from our vocabulary is animal-hater". This. This hit me so much seeing it in words! I'd copy and paste the whole paragraph that follows that sentence here because I love what you wrote so much and have felt it but haven't put it into those words in a coherent way yet, but instead I will just say thank you for putting this into such eloquent words!

The thing that never occurred to me though is your point about the term "animal lover". I know that I've felt guilty (for lack of a better word) since becoming Esther Approved / vegan ... because I always did consider myself to be an "animal lover". When in reality, I was basically, for real, an animal hater. Because my love was so one dimensional and shallow regardless of how close I was to any individual dog or cat or bird that was brought into the various households I lived in over those years.

I appreciate this post so much! And I also share your views about everything at the beginning of this post, but I don't even have the knowledge to begin to address it. I realize it is definitely a part of the whole vegan reality, it is just too big for me to be intelligent about in a comment. Well, maybe intelligent isn't a good word. But the concept/connection don't come to me easily other than in my head. Exactly the same way that "animal lover" and "animal hater" didn't. Thanks for taking the time to put things like this into words!

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

You're welcome, and thanks. :)

I had to laugh though, because when I reread the paragraph I realized that one sentence didn't even make sense. Changed the phrase "without impunity" to "without fear of punishment" because even though the phrase usually used is with impunity (so much for proofreading, ha ha), in this case most instances of harming animals are not generally punishable offences and therefore "with impunity" doesn't actually apply.

But yeah, animal hating is so normalized that we don't think of it as such, just like we don't identify woman hating when it happens. And I'm sure there are those (vegans included) who would argue that it's not hatred as much as it is being oblivious, but I find it interesting how the term animal-lover is said so easily and so frequently that it has basically lost all meaning. Maybe we should ask those who use it exactly what they mean when they say it, what specific animals they love, and in what context.

And even though animal-hater might me too strong or perhaps not always accurate, I think if people used the terms animal-hater and woman-hater when it clearly does apply, the shock value might jolt some folk into thinking a bit more.

veganelder said...

I'm too bumfuzzled by most everything lately but something I've noticed again and again is that groups with power (social and/or other kinds) are the ones who control language and thinking and whats ok and whI ran across a brief video talk by Walter Mignolo recently (he's described as a semiotician...which means someone who studies "meaning making"...snazzy, eh?) and he was presenting a very abbreviated and condensed version of colonization and he noted that colonization (along with capitalism) led to the turning of life and living beings into some sort of commodity...meaning that they became instead of something having an intrinsic value and meaning all their own that they could be equated to some monetary value and bought and sold and exchanged and valued greatly or not at all.

He noted that the western Europeans "discovered" this "new" world and with all that land they needed labor and at's not and so on. I wonder if all the words (and absent words) you write about might gain some bit of greater clarity if they were thought about in relation to the power of the groups involved in their use...or their lack of existence. "Man-hater"...for instance...that's a word wielded by the group with power (men) to denigrate and intimidate and maybe shame those who resist and/or oppose them. No word for those who kill women? Well...mostly that's men (right?) and men have the power and a widely used word for a woman killer might denigrate or serve to put men down so...voila...no widely used and/or recognized term.

I've not thought a whole whole bunch about the power thingee but I have enough to suspect that it's a pretty useful tool for thinking about a number of things, not just the presence or absence of widely used terms, ya know? For instance, one thing I'm nervous about anymore is paying much heed to anything about a subordinated group if the originator of that information belongs to a dominant group. Make sense?

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

Hi veganelder, sorry for the late reply. Ha ha, bumfuzzled. Not a word I'd heard before, but I like it!

What you say makes sense indeed. Language is almost never neutral, and yes, power is an excellent and crucial tool for analyzing almost anything. As you say, power (and those who have it) determine, among many things, what words are given credence or not. Look how long it took, for example, for a prefix to exist that didn't denote a woman's marital status. Marital rape is still considered an oxymoron by some, and if you want to get a defensive reaction, just use the term white privilege in a predominantly white group.

Yes. Asking who has the power is invaluable when looking at what words or terms are used or not, what beings are valued, whom institutions and governments really serve, and what kind of society we actually live in.

Thanks veganelder.

I just discovered your blog and really enjoy it. It is not a typical vegan blog, I like your writing and can relate to your point of view. There truly are many inequalities and not nearly enough compassion. We love to label things, so if you’re not with us, you’re with them. We group and classify things, occurrences, animals and even people. And then we fail when it really matters to use our words.

have gone vegan said in reply to Ashley Woodward...

Thanks so much Ashley!

Yep, we human animals love to label and classify. And even though veganism is all about compassion (and justice), we vegans sure can be awfully hard on each other. To the point that we sometimes "other" fellow vegans who don't share the same labels or points of view even more so than some meat-eaters "other" us. Meanwhile, the gazillions of animals used and abused don't give a damn what labels we use. It's our actions that count.

Wednesday, November 9, 2016

twas the day after the election

 ‘Twas the day after the election, when all thro’ the world

Not a sane person was happy, baffled at what had just unfurled,
All hopes had been dashed, even though nurtured with care,
As citizens realized that civility is rare:
A bigoted narcissist is what some Americans wanted
So Donald took advantage and remained undaunted. 

And Hillary in her disgust, and Bill in his shock
Tried as they could to take clearer stock—
Because what had happened to cause this great rift?
This division of values, and misunderstood drift?
Racism and sexism held too many in its grip,
And that only bolstered Trump’s ugly ego trip.

Sure, some men might have cheered Donny boy on
But what could cause women to fall for this con?
And gays and minorities of all stripes and colours
Surely they saw through his worshipping of dollars?
So a sad world watched as obnoxiousness was rewarded
And learned the lesson that you can’t always clean something sordid.

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Comments

veganelder said...

The one aspect of the whole debacle that sort of intrigues me is thinking about this part of what you wrote: "...what could cause women to fall for this con?"

I once read a description of the centuries of witch persecutions (and burnings and drownings) in Western Europe as a terrorism campaign designed to thoroughly subdue and dominate women and preclude their challenging the patriarchy.

One way to think about those centuries of horror is that they was incredibly successful.

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

I agree. And I'm still completely befuddled. In no other election has the sexism been so rampant, so in-your-face, so incredibly crystal clear, and yet still not seen. How can something so visible be invisible to so many?

Still shaking my head. And rightly or wrongly, I'm starting to not only think of Trump voters as supporters now, but enablers as well. Enabling some really nasty stuff that's gonna make this whole world a much darker place. One example of the election spillover: chants of "lock her up" at a Canadian rally protesting Alberta Premier Rachel Notley's carbon tax initiative. Unreal. Thanks, Trump. And his enablers too.

Sunday, November 6, 2016

no one wins November 8

 Sure, someone will be elected, but with fierce opposition shown to both candidates, winning isn't the right word to use when half the American population will be pissed off no matter which person gets in. The elected candidate doesn't win, the lampooned parties both left and right don't win, and the people who are supposed to be the beneficiaries of democracy certainly won't win. Neither do the folk in other parts of the world held hostage to whatever decisions the incumbent makes. Global security and global economics are not factors to be taken lightly anymore. 

The other big losers in this election? Civility, decency, maturity, critical thinking skills, and empathy. And if anyone was foolish enough to think that racism and sexism were non-issues, this election brought out both to the forefront. Sexism, especially, reared its ugly head enough to be a central defining feature. Hillary Clinton doesn't smile enough and she's perceived as cold. Seriously? No, I mean, SERIOUSLY? When was the last time any male politician running at any level of office was admonished for not smiling enough? Accused of not being warm enough? And held accountable for offences committed by their spouse? Doesn't make any sense, unless of course a candidate is thought of as merely an appendage to that spouse. (Note: this doesn't mean Hillary isn't acutely flawed herself, or that Bill shouldn't be held accountable for the allegations of abuse directed towards him.)

A good test of sexism is to reverse genders and see if the same standards are held. Picture Clinton saying or doing any number of the offensive words and actions Trump indulged in almost daily, and imagine how long her campaign would have continued. Remember the ridicule Sarah Palin received (and rightly so) for her extreme lack of knowledge? Yet Trump was allowed to continue full steam ahead.

But the most jarring thing for me personally during this election was the downplaying of sexual assault. Being accused by more than a dozen women with credible stories doesn't disqualify one from becoming President. Words don't matter (dismissed as locker room banter), but actions don't either. That we shouldn't take sexual assault seriously was a lesson of this election. So, I take it back. The one clear winner no matter who's elected on Tuesday is misogyny. And depending on the election result, women's reproductive rights, gay rights, and transgender rights are all up for grabs. How sad, and how damn scary. Doesn't feel like 2016 to me at all.

Never before has there been so much palpable anxiety outside of America about who will be elected, because in a world that is now globally connected in so many ways, everything is at stake. But I feel badly for Americans who don't support Trump, yet who may have to live with the consequences right at home. I can only imagine their fear, worry, dismay and disbelief. It's not much of a consolation, but please know that your feelings will be shared worldwide. 

Dark times are indeed ahead, and like many people, one of my defense mechanisms for dealing with unpleasantness is humour. So here is my adaptation of part of a beloved Christmas carol for this can't-look-but-can't-look-away-either occasion. :)

 

Twas the Night Before the Election

‘Twas the night before the election, when all thro’ the world

Not a sane person was sleeping, anxious to see what would unfurl

All expectations were lowered with a sigh and a scowl,

In hopes that a defeated Donald wouldn’t make anyone howl;

But "deplorable" supporters stashed guns in their beds

While visions of revolution danc’d in their irrational heads.

 

And Hillary in her grief, and Bill in his fear,

Had just settled their brains in case things got near—

When out on social media there arose such a clatter,

People sprang to their devices to see what was the matter.

Away to Windows we flew like a flash,

Tore open our emails (yes, EMAILS!), and threw out the trash.

 

Except for one message, a beacon for sore sight,

And the only thing that could save just about everyone tonight;

Proclaiming the election a bad series of jokes,

Donald himself admitted to being nothing but a hoax.

So the weary world watched as Americans voted

And hoped never again to see anything so vile and bloated.

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VOTE! And please vote wisely. THANK YOU.

 

Don't even think about it

Comments

veganelder said...

What's interesting (but horrid) to observe as it plays out is that...given the 2 choices offered...the majority of Americans (a pretty big majority) made the "wise" choice.

And...that same (wise?) majority is poised to just roll over and let the "system" install the loser of the election as president.

I've become painfully aware of the delusional aspects of a presidential election system that is able to appoint the loser of the election to the office of the presidency and to manage to convince most of the voters that such a system is "democracy". That's pretty impressive insofar as reality distorting goes.

have gone vegan said in reply to veganelder...

Isn't it though, eh? The popular vote means nothing. The people's decision doesn't count. That's "democracy" in action. Mind you, I don't like the first-past-the-post system for electing the Prime Minister here either. And, one of the major campaign promises in last year's election was to get rid of this antiquated system, but surprise surprise, there's no longer any interest by the party that won to change the system that got them elected. Both elections in Canada and the US have been interesting, but have also made me even more cynical than I already was.

Am already tired of Trump and he's not even in office yet and I'm in Canada for Pete's sake. It's gonna be a long long 4 (hopefully 2) years, so can imagine how much worse it'll be for American citizens who saw right through that narcissist. And being named Person of the Year by Time magazine certainly won't help deflate his artificially inflated ego any. As if things weren't bad enough...

Sunday, September 18, 2016

what every vegan should know about burnout (resource list included)

 

Activism burnout

Which rather makes it sound like I have all the answers, but clearly I don't, otherwise I would've been able to avoid burnout myself. At least, I'm wondering if I've reached burnout given the tone of some of my previous posts (we-animals-deserve-to-rot-in-hell in particular), and my more-than-usual cynical mood of late.

For example, while I like the oft-used quote about slaughterhouses being made of glass walls, I don't think it's actually true, and in general think it's less a lack of awareness than an agreement that other animals are ours to use as we see fit mentality that's at play. Sadly, as long as animal use is profitable or pleasurable or both, a vegan world seems a long way off to me. On the other hand, I realize my the-human-species-as-a-whole-is-insufferable conclusion isn't really effective, and isn't going to help. And while the people-who-consume-animals-are-bad labeling syndrome may be tempting; it too is not strategic, and not likely to increase the number of vegans.

But, back to burnout. Is this a condition that every vegan can expect to face at some point? Given that I'm eight years into the vegan journey, should I be surprised or happy that at least it didn't happen sooner? Is it in part what can make a vegan become ex-vegan? (Thankfully, I don't anticipate that happening with THIS particular vegan at any time.) And is burnout the same as compassion fatigue? Are the two terms interchangeable? Nope, apparently not. Here's a helpful article outlining the difference between compassion fatigue, vicarious trauma and burnout.

In my own case, there's also a degree of caregiver fatigue thrown in, which makes me wonder if vegans acting as caregivers for elderly parents are even more at risk for burnout. It's a bit of a double whammy methinks, and given that most vegans and most caregivers are female, you could have fatigue coming at you from all sides. Actually, forget about double whammy. If you're female and part of the sandwich generation looking after kids and parents, AND participating in the labour force, you're likely looking at at least a triple or quadruple whammy, eek!

At any rate, since I don't have the answers that the post title implied I might have, I thought I'd look around and share what I find. Especially since if the statistics on recidivism are correct (I've yet to be convinced they are, but that's a topic for another post), and if some form of burnout precedes recidivism, then nearly most of us will face this battle at one point or another.

As with many other problems, prevention is always better than solving, but given the continual assault on the beings of our concern and the huge scale of what we're up against, I would say that it might be a big battle to prevent or overcome this too-common occurrence. Luckily, there ARE also many resources that can help, whew, so I've compiled a short-ish list (a long one can be overwhelming in itself if you're already stressed) and for convenience sake divided it into books, websites, PDF material, and articles. Take from them what you can, as other animals need us to be strong, resilient and healthy. As do other vegans!

It takes guts

BOOKS:

WEBSITES:

PDF MATERIAL:

ARTICLES:

MY OWN FAVOURITE QUICK PICK-ME-UPPERS:

So there you go. That should be enough to keep all of us busy(ier) for a while, snort. Let's take nasty burnout, turn it inside out and nip it in the bud. Let's Keep Calm, Keep Vegan, and Keep Going. (Which is also my new motto and blog byline, woot!) 

Comments

Hi Friend,
Thank you for all the interesting links. This is the first time hearing the term, compassion fatigue. Since I don't feel all that motivated to read about it, I guess that I might have it. I can't even say that it came over gradually, but rather was an instant kind of knowing that hit me a couple of days ago.Let's hope it passes on the way it came, silently but deadly.
Take care,
Anne

Hello Anne, so sorry to hear that you might be struggling with compassion fatigue or some degree of burnout. Completely understand the lack of motivation, but maybe sometime in the future when you're feeling rejuvenated you could find out more about it to help cope. It really is something that a lot of vegans experience at some point, so being prepared can be useful.

But yes, let's hope it passes quickly!

{{{And big hugs to you my friend.}}}

Thanks Friend,
I am doing fine, but had to step away from Facebook for a few days, reading a few posts, but replying to few and avoiding the worst of the other species use and exploitation.
I will get back to it soon, because I feel compelled to do so and because I hope that my advocacy and activism can make a difference.
Take care.
Anne

Yeah, I can see how taking a break from Facebook could be useful. And Twitter is just as heartbreaking in showing all these horrible ways humans use and abuse -- I even find myself trying not to look at all of the images scrolling by. Both of those mediums are probably a blessing AND a curse.

Krissa said...

Sorry to be so late in getting to this! It's a really great post! i guess I actually never thought about it before, but I'm not sure what burnout really means. Maybe exhaustion, but you keep going? I'll have to look into your links soon. I hope it doesn't mean giving up and just going back to old ways. I really doubt that, but I never gave thought to it before. I do think it must mean exhaustion.

Which brings me to why I'm so behind....this summer has kicked the living hell out of me. Benni requires nearly round-the-clock care at this point because of the nasty weather and I am just beaten down. He is the most absolutely wonderful dog though and I won't let him down, but it has taken all my time. He does ok when we come in and I get him cooled off, mostly sleeps and gets his massages, etc. He's not suffering to a point that it's cruelty, but he's obviously sad that he can't walk much and he absolutely doesn't like this weather. Every once in a while when we get out and it's cool enough, he go-go-goes again and I just hope with all my heart that he gets some more time when he's ok like that before his "time" comes. They didn't think he would make it more than a couple months so I'm very impressed with his strength, but yeah, caregiver exhaustion is a real thing. I can't believe I've gotten down to 100lbs again (due to the weather) and he's up to about 45 and I carry him around for hours (not in a row) a day! He's definitely worth it, but I'm sick myself now..anyway, this is a really great post and I need to look over it a bit more just to learn. Glad to see you've had time to post again! And I hope things calm down for you more and more. Hm, now I'm thinking the term emotional overload...I feel that a lot sometimes, but it doesn't change anything about what I do or think. So I think I'm getting a better idea of what burnout is.

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Hey Krissa, figures eh, I write a post about burnout and don't include any definitions, snort.

From the last link in the Article section, burnout is generally defined as "...the physical and emotional exhaustion that workers can experience when they have low job satisfaction and feel powerless and overwhelmed at work." While compassion fatigue "...refers to the profound emotional and physical erosion that takes place when helpers are unable to refuel and regenerate..."

https://www.tendacademy.ca/what-is-compassion-fatigue/

Activist burnout (as defined by the folks in the link you mentioned in the comment below) "broadly encompasses all personally negative mental, emotional, physical, and behavioural changes caused by one’s activism, that in result hinder the effectiveness of that activist." This just expands the definition of burnout as it specifically relates to activists.

https://helpactivists.org/activist-burnout/

So sorry to hear that you're having a tough time with Benni and the weather! It's cooled off down here and you can really tell that Fall has come, so I hope you'll be able to say the same soon. And please take care of yourself! For all of us. :)

{{{hugs to you as well!}}}

Krissa said in reply to have gone vegan...

Your post was great! I personally didn't think that at my age I shouldn't have a clear definition of what burnout is since it's such a "thing" in the modern world. I mean, I've been hearing about that for decades and in relation to all kinds of things. But thank you for the definitions because now I know I don't have it. I have absolutely severe exhaustion, but not burnout by definition. Partly most likely because I am so limited in what I actually do activism-wise. I mean, now that I have Benni I can't even go to a demo-march because his health does not allow him to be left alone as long as that would take. But before I start rambling, thanks for the definitions and I think this is a post that is very, very helpful. At least I can be on the lookout and prepared for when my exhaustion might turn into burnout. (We humans sure make things complicated, don't we? snort!).

Hugs back at ya! I'm glad your weather is better! Stupid summer.

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

I'm lucky in that my day job has a high enough compassion satisfaction component as I enjoy interacting with the residents, and they make up for most of the management crap that goes on and the other less fun parts of work. Caregiver fatigue is definitely a factor though, and I need to make sure I refuel often enough, which I'm actively paying more attention to these days.

So like you I've come to the conclusion that I don't actually have burnout, but it was useful to do the research (and given that I had the energy and actually enjoyed doing the research and writing was probably a big clue, snort, that burnout isn't a problem yet) and I hoped that sharing might be of help. No point wasting all that time and effort, eh? ;)

Krissa said...

Just wanted to say that even though I haven't had a chance to check all the links, this one in particular is really great and would be very helpful to lots of Esther Approved folks, I'm sure! Thanks for sharing all of them, but if anyone is reading comments and doesn't have time to check all the links at the moment, this one is a good one to bookmark!

https://helpactivists.org/

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Yeah, I probably included too many links, and likely when someone is actually dealing with burnout or compassion fatigue, even a shorter list can be too much.

So the one I would recommend comes from the same website as you mentioned, but provides a bit more information right off the bat, including:

1)what is activist burnout
2)why do activists experience burnout
3)what are the symptoms of activist burnout, and
4)what can activists do to avoid or overcome burnout

https://helpactivists.org/activist-burnout/

Hope that helps!

Krissa said in reply to have gone vegan...

Oh, I don't think it's too many at all! If I didn't have Benni and had more time, it's good to have plenty to choose from! I appreciate your time you took to find out the extra info for me! Especially pointing out this one above specifically.

Keep calm, keep Esther Approved (I swear to god I can't even NOT write that instead of 'vegan' anymore!!!! snort!) and keep going! I'm with ya!

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

No problem.
Maybe the motto should be, Keep Calm, Keep Cool, Keep Going? ;)