Sunday, April 6, 2014

why aren't more Christians vegan?

 Christian vegan bumper sticker

A good question indeed and the title of New Vegan Age's essay challenging Christians to consider going vegan. Now, we actually discussed this piece while it was being written, and there were a few things I would have liked to see in it which do not appear, and a couple of things that I actually disagree with. So, closer to Easter, I'll be giving you my own take on why more Christians aren't vegan, but please do read Tom's essay here

In the meantime, I'm also working on: an expansion of a discussion I had with veganelder about finding a new category for animals in the property vs. person debate (for those of you who don't read the comments, tsk tsk -- you know who you are -- that's where some of the interesting stuff really happens), a resurrection of sorts (eek, bad Easter joke) of the paradox of being vegan series, white privilege, human privilege, and all sorts of privilege (also originating from a comment), the deceptively titled "one thing you can do to help veganism", and the most striking sentence I read last year.

Whew! I'm gonna be busy, but luckily I have much less time on my hands these days, which oddly enough has resulted in my being that much more focused. So, stay tuned!

Comments

Krissa said...

Ugh, this is the 4th re-write about the Christianity part. I'm going to just say that I think it comes down to ignorance regardless of how sincere someone is in their beliefs or not. Apathy and ignorance. And by ignorance I don't mean stupidity, I mean simply ignorant - often by choice. This can hold true for anyone of any religion and I'll leave it at that.

I'm not much help in the property vs. person debate. I understand it logically and I realize that the vast majority of humans don't share most of us who are vegan's views and feelings. But personally, I consider every fellow living creature a friend and an equal, just different. As for 'my' two cats, they are my family first and I am their guardian (because obviously they don't get a say in where we live, what they eat, etc.) and I do my very best for them. I realize that in this world, other animals are not our 'equals' because of the place we've made them occupy in this world, but for me personally, they are my friends. "Animals" like birds and squirrels who live in the city that I call home, when I pass through THEIR home, I am respectful of that and treat it as such. If I ever come up with a thought that is useful for the majority of the population in the property vs. person debate, I will share it.

So glad you're getting to post more often! :)

have gone vegan said in reply to Krissa...

Ha, I'm going to go backwards in my reply here.

First, thanks for the vote of confidence, although you may want to reserve judgment until you read said posts, snort.

I'm sure your thoughts will be very useful when I post the property vs. persons category idea, and I'm looking forward to it.

I like your attitude towards birds and squirrels and their homes. Because we often forget that we're intruding onto THEIR space with our never-ending development, and dangerous glass buildings (the numbers of birds killed by flying into office windows is staggering), and then we're surprised by the appearance of deer, coyotes, etc., and call them a nuisance?

Sorry for having to do rewrites. Christianity can do that to you, snort. Sorry, Tom, if you're reading this, cuz you know I'm kidding, right? Ignorance might be true for some, but I think it's more than that, or maybe not quite that, for most, but will try to explain/expand in future post. :)

krissa said in reply to have gone vegan...

Also in case your friend Tom is reading, I did try to post a comment to thank him for that essay and that I hope it will make many people sincerely consider and pray on it because I think if they do it will start some folks on the path to becoming vegan. It was well-written and interesting.

Your point about the glass buildings brings back a memory from before I was even vegan. Nick and I were walking to the store and had to pass by a very big all glass front building that was on our block and a bird had smacked into it and was doing very badly and on a busy sidewalk. I didn't believe I could save him, but wanted to try. I didn't want to traumatize him too much further so I stood on the sidewalk and protected and shaded him and Nick ran back and got a box and put a soft cloth and some grass and sticks in it. We carried him so carefully in the box, but about half way down the block when I checked on him, he had died. I was crying so hard on the street and we took him back and put him way under a bush where I hoped his little body wouldn't get disturbed. Sorry for the sad story, but it's something that many people just don't "get" and walk right past. You should see how long it takes me to go anywhere when it rains because I have to move all the snails and worms off the sidewalks and bike paths. Ha. But I simply just can't walk past. Anyway, sorry for rambling in the comments and for a sad story, but it's another part of being vegan that is so important....to figure out how to lessen our impact in ways that are normally overlooked.

I consider myself to have been ignorant in the past of the suffering. And as you know, I was raised in a strict Christian household. I didn't word that very well in the first comment, I think. I mean ignorance to the suffering and also, sadly, apathy to the suffering.

Ok, sorry for the long-winded 2nd comment!!!

have gone vegan said in reply to krissa...

Aw, poor birdie. But at least you provided them with a bit of dignity and a more respectful resting place. Yes, I can see you moving snails and worms! :)

Ignorance (as in just not knowing), is more excusable as there's so much that keeps people in the dark. Apathy, bothers me a lot more. It's kind of a double sin if you know what I mean.

Tom said...

Thank you AGAIN for helping to develop and seriously improve this essay! Like Krissa, I'm glad you're getting to post more often these days—and I'm looking forward to reading your own take on this issue soon. Oh, and omissions from the final version did not necessarily indicate disagreement :-]

have gone vegan said in reply to Tom...

No problem, I enjoyed doing it!

I think my own take will likely require a fair bit of editing, so I guess I had better get going. And if it ends up being a bit harsh, maybe I'll warn you beforehand. Yeah, some of the stuff we both agreed on did not appear, but I just want to make sure it shows up somewhere. Looking forward in advance to any agreement, disagreement or indifference you may have to offer. ;)

Bea Elliott said...

That is a very good question and of course I only have some hunches as to why more Christians and other religious sects aren't vegan... My guess is that there's much in religious scripture and ancient texts that actually "permit" man's use of "everything" and every creature. There's a hierarchical model that's been used to justify every type of domination... The patriarchy from whence "man" is over all is deeply rooted in a deity who has assigned us each with "his" purpose. And when anything doesn't make much sense, most dismiss it with "We cannot know or question God's ways". So if nonhumans must suffer to become the meat that is "allowed" to us... Well, who are we to question? And then too there's always the closing remark to me when I challenge why nonhumans aren't treated kindly (by Christians). I'm told flat out "They don't have a soul". And then I can't go any further without challenging their faith. It's a tough topic indeed.

I would love it if more people were less religious and more spiritual. I don't know that Ahimsa could ever be molded into or mistaken as dominion. This topic gives a whole new meaning to the Easter ham and likewise to what is halal. :'(

have gone vegan said in reply to Bea Elliott...

Good question and tough topic indeed. But you've provided quite a few clues as to what my take will look like. Looks like we're in sync here! :)

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